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C++ vs Elm: What are the differences?

  1. Syntax and Typing: One key difference between C++ and Elm is their syntax and typing systems. C++ is a statically typed language with a complex syntax that can be error-prone, especially for beginners. On the other hand, Elm is a statically typed language with a simpler syntax that focuses on immutability and functional programming concepts, making it easier to write and maintain code.

  2. Concurrency Model: Another significant difference between C++ and Elm is their approach to concurrency. C++ relies on manual memory management and threading, which can lead to issues such as race conditions and deadlocks. Elm, on the other hand, uses the actor model for concurrency, where all updates are handled in a single thread, eliminating many common concurrency problems.

  3. Error Handling: C++ primarily uses exceptions for error handling, which can lead to complex and unpredictable code. In contrast, Elm uses a type-safe approach to error handling, where errors are explicitly defined in the type system, making it easier to reason about and handle errors in a more systematic manner.

  4. Package Management: In C++, package management can be challenging, with dependencies often manually managed and potentially leading to version conflicts. Elm, on the other hand, has a built-in package manager that enforces semantic versioning, making it easier to manage dependencies and ensure compatibility between packages.

  5. Interoperability: C++ is known for its strong interoperability with other languages and libraries, making it a popular choice for projects that require integration with existing codebases. Elm, on the other hand, is more focused on being a standalone language and ecosystem, with limited support for interoperability with other languages and libraries.

  6. Tooling and Community Support: C++ has a wide range of tools and libraries available, along with a large and active community that provides support and resources for developers. Elm, while growing in popularity, has a smaller ecosystem and community, which can limit the availability of tools and resources for developers.

In Summary, C++ and Elm differ in syntax, typing, concurrency model, error handling approach, package management, and interoperability, each offering unique advantages and challenges for developers.

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Hi, I'm just starting to learn code, and I stumbled upon this website. I think I should learn JavaScript, Python, and C++ to begin with. I'm a quick learner so I am only worried about what would be more useful. Suppose my goal is to build an online clothing store or something. Then what languages would be best? I need advice. Please help me out. I'm 13 and just beginning and it's hard to understand when people use technical terms so please keep it simple. Thanks a lot.

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Taimoor Mirza
Associate Software Engineer at Intech Process Automation · | 21 upvotes · 229.5K views
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Go with Python. It's syntax is really simple and less verbose compare to others. You can use Python for basically anything like web dev, task automation, data science, data engineering, cybersecurity etc. At initial level, it's more important to get an understanding of programming fundamentals. Once you get conformable with coding in general, then you can explore other languages.

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I would worry less about languages when you're first starting out. If you want to build an online store, then javascript is a great language that is used all over the web! Get comfortable with your first language, learn some computer science concepts and how to build things the right way, and then just work towards a goal and learn as you go!

https://www.w3schools.com/ is a great resource and it's completely free, everything you need to know to build a website is on that page if you have the drive to learn it. Best of luck to you!

Here's a neat roadmap too, in case you find yourself lost on what to learn next https://roadmap.sh/frontend

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I recommend JavaScript to build your first website, for both FrontEnd and BackEnd , even tho I am a BIG fan of C++ it is not well suited yet to create websites, and Python would be just as good for the BackEnd as JavaScript but having everything written in only one language will make your learning curve way easier, so it is easy to recommend JavaScript.

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Mukesh Gurpude
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Python is an easy and beginner-friendly language. As you've mentioned about Online Clothing store, you'll need to deal with the website part and you'll need Javascript to make the site accessible and functional. Javascript will be more easy to learn if you learn Python first, so you can just start with Python.

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I have worked with all these a ton. I make ecommerce and enterprise apps now. The only one of these you need is JavaScript. You can use JS on the backend as Node.js in AWS Lambda. You will need HTML and CSS skills, as well as a database. I recommend MongoDB. Please forget about C++ until you built your first company. Python fits the same purpose as Node.js but is currently popular in the Data Science community so skip it until you have a LOT of customers.

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Hello Rachel, as a fellow programmer, I am glad that you are planning on expanding your coding knowledge and skills.

I recommend learning python first as it has a very simple syntax (syntax is how your code looks and how simple it is to type) and is also very user-friendly. Once you get to know how to code in python, you can use this thing called Flask.

Flask is what you call a "web application framework" or a WAF, it basically is a tool used to develop websites and other similar things. You don't have to worry much about it's difficulty because it is based on python. You will still have to learn how to use Flask though as it could be a bit complicating in first glance.

If you are looking for simpler ways for making website without having to learn a lot of programming, you can learn HTML and CSS. These 2 will help you in making a basic and functional website. The catch is, from a career perspective, HTML won't get you far, as literally every programmer knows it. So it is best to use programming languages.

I hope this gave you a clear understanding of the ways in which you can build websites. Wishing you the best of luck!

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Hi, When saying that "Suppose my goal is to build an online clothing store or something", I would go for a ready to use platform like Wordpress. it will give you a fast jump into the online world. By using WP you'll have to catch on with PHP\JQuery Goodluck.. Ping me when store is ready, I might buy something....

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Since you're new, I'd recommend Javascript and Python. With Javascript, just learn React and Node. And with Python, learn Django. With JavaScript, Node, React, Python, and Django; you can accomplish quite a lot for both frontend and backend.

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Python has become the most popular language for machine learning right now since almost all machine learning tools provide service for this language, and it is really to use since it has many build-in objects like Hashtable. In C, you need to implement everything by yourself.

C++ is one of the most popular programming languages in graphics. It has many fancy libraries like eigen to help us process matrix. I have many previous projects about graphics based on C++ and this time, we also need to deal with graphics since we need to analyze movements of the human body. C++ has much more advantages than Java. C++ uses only compiler, whereas Java uses compiler and interpreter in both. C++ supports both operator overloading and method overloading whereas Java only supports method overloading. C++ supports manual object management with the help of new and delete keywords whereas Java has built-in automatic garbage collection.

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Sr. Doodad Imagineer at Russtopia Labs · | 0 upvote · 198.3K views

As a personal research project I wanted to add post-quantum crypto KEM (key encapsulation) algorithms and new symmetric crypto session algorithms to openssh. I found the openssh code and its channel/context management extremely complex.

Concurrently, I was learning Go. It occurred to me that Go's excellent standard library, including crypto libraries, plus its much safer memory model and string/buffer handling would be better suited to a secure remote shell solution. So I started from scratch, writing a clean-room Go-based solution, without regard for ssh compatibility. Interactive and token-based login, secure copy and tunnels.

Of course, it needs a proper security audit for side channel attacks, protocol vulnerabilities and so on -- but I was impressed by how much simpler a client-server application with crypto and complex terminal handling was in Go.

$ sloc openssh-portable 
  Languages  Files    Code  Comment  Blank   Total  CodeLns
      Total    502  112982    14327  15705  143014   100.0%
          C    389  105938    13349  14416  133703    93.5%
      Shell     92    6118      937   1129    8184     5.7%
       Make     16     468       37    131     636     0.4%
        AWK      1     363        0      7     370     0.3%
        C++      3      79        4     18     101     0.1%
       Conf      1      16        0      4      20     0.0%
$ sloc xs
  Languages  Files  Code  Comment  Blank  Total  CodeLns
      Total     34  3658     1231    655   5544   100.0%
         Go     19  3230     1199    507   4936    89.0%
   Markdown      2   181        0     76    257     4.6%
       Make      7   148        4     50    202     3.6%
       YAML      1    39        0      5     44     0.8%
       Text      1    30        0      7     37     0.7%
     Modula      1    16        0      2     18     0.3%
      Shell      3    14       28      8     50     0.9%

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Pros of C++
Pros of Elm
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    Performance
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    Control over memory allocation
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    Cross-platform
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    Fast
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    Object oriented
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    Industry standard
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    Smart pointers
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    Templates
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    Gui toolkits
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    Raii
  • 13
    Generic programming
  • 13
    Control
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    Flexibility
  • 11
    Metaprogramming
  • 9
    Hardcore
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    Simple
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    Full-fledged containers/collections API
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    Many large libraries
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    Performant multi-paradigm language
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    Large number of Libraries
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    Way too complicated
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    Close to Reality
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    Plenty of useful features
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    Code stays clean
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    Great type system
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    No Runtime Exceptions
  • 33
    Fun
  • 28
    Easy to understand
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    Type safety
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    Correctness
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    JS fatigue
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    Ecosystem agrees on one Application Architecture
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    Declarative
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    Friendly compiler messages
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    Fast rendering
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    If it compiles, it runs
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    Welcoming community
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    Stable ecosystem
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    'Batteries included'
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    Package.elm-lang.org

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Cons of C++
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    Slow compilation
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    Unsafe
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    Over-complicated
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    Fragile ABI
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    No standard/mainstream dependency management
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    Templates mess with compilation units
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    Too low level for most tasks
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    Compile time features are a mess
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    Template metaprogramming is insane
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    Segfaults
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    Unreal engine
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    No typeclasses -> repitition (i.e. map has 130versions)
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    JS interop can not be async
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    JS interoperability a bit more involved
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    More code is required
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    No JSX/Template
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    Main developer enforces "the correct" style hard
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    No communication with users
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    Backwards compability breaks between releases

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What is C++?

C++ compiles directly to a machine's native code, allowing it to be one of the fastest languages in the world, if optimized.

What is Elm?

Writing HTML apps is super easy with elm-lang/html. Not only does it render extremely fast, it also quietly guides you towards well-architected code.

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