Common Lisp vs Elixir vs Elm

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Decisions about Common Lisp, Elixir, and Elm

#rust #elixir So am creating a messenger with voice call capabilities app which the user signs up using phone number and so at first i wanted to use Actix so i learned Rust so i thought to myself because well its first i felt its a bit immature to use actix web even though some companies are using Rust but we cant really say the full potential of Rust in a full scale app for example in Discord both Elixir and Rust are used meaning there is equal need for them but for Elixir so many companies use it from Whatsapp, Wechat, etc and this means something for Rust is not ready to go full scale we cant assume all this possibilities when it come Rust. So i decided to go the Erlang way after alot of Thinking so Do you think i made the right decision?Am 19 year programmer so i assume am not experienced as you so your answer or comment would really valuable to me

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Timm Stelzer
Software Engineer at Flexperto GmbH · | 18 upvotes · 200K views

We have a lot of experience in JavaScript, writing our services in NodeJS allows developers to transition to the back end without any friction, without having to learn a new language. There is also the option to write services in TypeScript, which adds an expressive type layer. The semi-shared ecosystem between front and back end is nice as well, though specifically NodeJS libraries sometimes suffer in quality, compared to other major languages.

As for why we didn't pick the other languages, most of it comes down to "personal preference" and historically grown code bases, but let's do some post-hoc deduction:

Go is a practical choice, reasonably easy to learn, but until we find performance issues with our NodeJS stack, there is simply no reason to switch. The benefits of using NodeJS so far outweigh those of picking Go. This might change in the future.

PHP is a language we're still using in big parts of our system, and are still sometimes writing new code in. Modern PHP has fixed some of its issues, and probably has the fastest development cycle time, but it suffers around modelling complex asynchronous tasks, and (on a personal note) lack of support for writing in a functional style.

We don't use Python, Elixir or Ruby, mostly because of personal preference and for historic reasons.

Rust, though I personally love and use it in my projects, would require us to specifically hire for that, as the learning curve is quite steep. Its web ecosystem is OK by now (see https://www.arewewebyet.org/), but in my opinion, it is still no where near that of the other web languages. In other words, we are not willing to pay the price for playing this innovation card.

Haskell, as with Rust, I personally adore, but is simply too esoteric for us. There are problem domains where it shines, ours is not one of them.

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Pros of Common Lisp
Pros of Elixir
Pros of Elm
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    Flexibility
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    High-performance
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    Comfortable: garbage collection, closures, macros, REPL
  • 12
    Stable
  • 12
    Lisp
  • 6
    Can integrate with C (via CFFI)
  • 6
    Code is data
  • 5
    Multi paradigm
  • 4
    Easy Setup
  • 4
    Lisp is fun
  • 3
    Macros
  • 2
    Elegant
  • 2
    Open source
  • 2
    Purelly functional
  • 1
    Parentheses
  • 163
    Concurrency
  • 151
    Functional
  • 127
    Erlang vm
  • 109
    Great documentation
  • 102
    Great tooling
  • 82
    Immutable data structures
  • 78
    Open source
  • 74
    Pattern-matching
  • 61
    Easy to get started
  • 57
    Actor library
  • 28
    Ruby inspired
  • 28
    Functional with a neat syntax
  • 24
    Homoiconic
  • 22
    Erlang evolved
  • 20
    Beauty of Ruby, Speed of Erlang/C
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    Fault Tolerant
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    Simple
  • 13
    High Performance
  • 10
    Good lang
  • 9
    Doc as first class citizen
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    Stinkin' fast, no memory leaks, easy on the eyes
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    Pipe Operator
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    Resilient to failure
  • 6
    Fun to write
  • 5
    OTP
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    GenServer takes the guesswork out of background work
  • 4
    Not Swift
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    Pattern matching
  • 4
    Idempotence
  • 4
    Fast, Concurrent with clean error messages
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    Error isolation
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    Dynamic Typing
  • 42
    Code stays clean
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    Great type system
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    No Runtime Exceptions
  • 31
    Fun
  • 26
    Easy to understand
  • 20
    Correctness
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    Type safety
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    JS fatigue
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    Declarative
  • 10
    Ecosystem agrees on one Application Architecture
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    Friendly compiler messages
  • 6
    Welcoming community
  • 6
    Fast rendering
  • 5
    If it compiles, it runs
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    Stable ecosystem
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    'Batteries included'
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Cons of Common Lisp
Cons of Elixir
Cons of Elm
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    Too many Parentheses
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    No hygienic macros
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    Standard did not evolve since 1994
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    Small library ecosystem
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    Fewer jobs for Elixir experts
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    Smaller userbase than other mainstream languages
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    Elixir's dot notation less readable ("object": 1st arg)
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    Dynamic typing
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    Not a lot of learning books available
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    No typeclasses -> repitition (i.e. map has 130versions)
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    JS interoperability a bit more involved
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    Backwards compability breaks between releases
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    More code is required
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    Main developer enforces "the correct" style hard
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    JS interop can not be async
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    No communication with users

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What is Common Lisp?

Lisp was originally created as a practical mathematical notation for computer programs, influenced by the notation of Alonzo Church's lambda calculus. It quickly became the favored programming language for artificial intelligence (AI) research. As one of the earliest programming languages, Lisp pioneered many ideas in computer science, including tree data structures, automatic storage management, dynamic typing, conditionals, higher-order functions, recursion, and the self-hosting compiler. [source: wikipedia]

What is Elixir?

Elixir leverages the Erlang VM, known for running low-latency, distributed and fault-tolerant systems, while also being successfully used in web development and the embedded software domain.

What is Elm?

Writing HTML apps is super easy with elm-lang/html. Not only does it render extremely fast, it also quietly guides you towards well-architected code.

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Haskell
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Racket
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Java
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