Need advice about which tool to choose?Ask the StackShare community!

Apache Flink

379
574
+ 1
35
Kafka

13.9K
13.1K
+ 1
562
Add tool

Apache Flink vs Kafka: What are the differences?

Apache Flink: Fast and reliable large-scale data processing engine. Apache Flink is an open source system for fast and versatile data analytics in clusters. Flink supports batch and streaming analytics, in one system. Analytical programs can be written in concise and elegant APIs in Java and Scala; Kafka: Distributed, fault tolerant, high throughput pub-sub messaging system. Kafka is a distributed, partitioned, replicated commit log service. It provides the functionality of a messaging system, but with a unique design.

Apache Flink and Kafka are primarily classified as "Big Data" and "Message Queue" tools respectively.

Some of the features offered by Apache Flink are:

  • Hybrid batch/streaming runtime that supports batch processing and data streaming programs.
  • Custom memory management to guarantee efficient, adaptive, and highly robust switching between in-memory and data processing out-of-core algorithms.
  • Flexible and expressive windowing semantics for data stream programs

On the other hand, Kafka provides the following key features:

  • Written at LinkedIn in Scala
  • Used by LinkedIn to offload processing of all page and other views
  • Defaults to using persistence, uses OS disk cache for hot data (has higher throughput then any of the above having persistence enabled)

"Unified batch and stream processing" is the top reason why over 6 developers like Apache Flink, while over 95 developers mention "High-throughput" as the leading cause for choosing Kafka.

Apache Flink and Kafka are both open source tools. Kafka with 12.7K GitHub stars and 6.81K forks on GitHub appears to be more popular than Apache Flink with 9.35K GitHub stars and 5K GitHub forks.

Uber Technologies, Spotify, and Slack are some of the popular companies that use Kafka, whereas Apache Flink is used by Zalando, sovrn Holdings, and BetterCloud. Kafka has a broader approval, being mentioned in 509 company stacks & 470 developers stacks; compared to Apache Flink, which is listed in 20 company stacks and 22 developer stacks.

Advice on Apache Flink and Kafka
Nilesh Akhade
Technical Architect at Self Employed · | 5 upvotes · 184K views

We have a Kafka topic having events of type A and type B. We need to perform an inner join on both type of events using some common field (primary-key). The joined events to be inserted in Elasticsearch.

In usual cases, type A and type B events (with same key) observed to be close upto 15 minutes. But in some cases they may be far from each other, lets say 6 hours. Sometimes event of either of the types never come.

In all cases, we should be able to find joined events instantly after they are joined and not-joined events within 15 minutes.

See more
Replies (2)
Recommends
Elasticsearch

The first solution that came to me is to use upsert to update ElasticSearch:

  1. Use the primary-key as ES document id
  2. Upsert the records to ES as soon as you receive them. As you are using upsert, the 2nd record of the same primary-key will not overwrite the 1st one, but will be merged with it.

Cons: The load on ES will be higher, due to upsert.

To use Flink:

  1. Create a KeyedDataStream by the primary-key
  2. In the ProcessFunction, save the first record in a State. At the same time, create a Timer for 15 minutes in the future
  3. When the 2nd record comes, read the 1st record from the State, merge those two, and send out the result, and clear the State and the Timer if it has not fired
  4. When the Timer fires, read the 1st record from the State and send out as the output record.
  5. Have a 2nd Timer of 6 hours (or more) if you are not using Windowing to clean up the State

Pro: if you have already having Flink ingesting this stream. Otherwise, I would just go with the 1st solution.

See more
Akshaya Rawat
Senior Specialist Platform at Publicis Sapient · | 3 upvotes · 91.6K views
Recommends
Apache Spark

Please refer "Structured Streaming" feature of Spark. Refer "Stream - Stream Join" at https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/structured-streaming-programming-guide.html#stream-stream-joins . In short you need to specify "Define watermark delays on both inputs" and "Define a constraint on time across the two inputs"

See more
Needs advice
on
Redis
RabbitMQ
and
Kafka

We are going to develop a microservices-based application. It consists of AngularJS, ASP.NET Core, and MSSQL.

We have 3 types of microservices. Emailservice, Filemanagementservice, Filevalidationservice

I am a beginner in microservices. But I have read about RabbitMQ, but come to know that there are Redis and Kafka also in the market. So, I want to know which is best.

See more
Replies (4)
Maheedhar Aluri
Recommends
Kafka

Kafka is an Enterprise Messaging Framework whereas Redis is an Enterprise Cache Broker, in-memory database and high performance database.Both are having their own advantages, but they are different in usage and implementation. Now if you are creating microservices check the user consumption volumes, its generating logs, scalability, systems to be integrated and so on. I feel for your scenario initially you can go with KAFKA bu as the throughput, consumption and other factors are scaling then gradually you can add Redis accordingly.

See more
Recommends
Angular 2

I first recommend that you choose Angular over AngularJS if you are starting something new. AngularJs is no longer getting enhancements, but perhaps you meant Angular. Regarding microservices, I recommend considering microservices when you have different development teams for each service that may want to use different programming languages and backend data stores. If it is all the same team, same code language, and same data store I would not use microservices. I might use a message queue, in which case RabbitMQ is a good one. But you may also be able to simply write your own in which you write a record in a table in MSSQL and one of your services reads the record from the table and processes it. The most challenging part of doing it yourself is writing a service that does a good job of reading the queue without reading the same message multiple times or missing a message; and that is where RabbitMQ can help.

See more
Amit Mor
Software Architect at Payoneer · | 3 upvotes · 198.9K views
Recommends
Kafka

I think something is missing here and you should consider answering it to yourself. You are building a couple of services. Why are you considering event-sourcing architecture using Message Brokers such as the above? Won't a simple REST service based arch suffice? Read about CQRS and the problems it entails (state vs command impedance for example). Do you need Pub/Sub or Push/Pull? Is queuing of messages enough or would you need querying or filtering of messages before consumption? Also, someone would have to manage these brokers (unless using managed, cloud provider based solution), automate their deployment, someone would need to take care of backups, clustering if needed, disaster recovery, etc. I have a good past experience in terms of manageability/devops of the above options with Kafka and Redis, not so much with RabbitMQ. Both are very performant. But also note that Redis is not a pure message broker (at time of writing) but more of a general purpose in-memory key-value store. Kafka nowadays is much more than a distributed message broker. Long story short. In my taste, you should go with a minialistic approach and try to avoid either of them if you can, especially if your architecture does not fall nicely into event sourcing. If not I'd examine Kafka. If you need more capabilities than I'd consider Redis and use it for all sorts of other things such as a cache.

See more
Recommends
NATS

We found that the CNCF landscape is a good advisor when working going into the cloud / microservices space: https://landscape.cncf.io/fullscreen=yes. When choosing a technology one important criteria to me is if it is cloud native or not. Neither Redis, RabbitMQ nor Kafka is cloud native. The try to adapt but will be replaced eventually with technologies that are cloud native.

We have gone with NATS and have never looked back. We haven't spend a single minute on server maintainance in the last year and the setup of a cluster is way too easy. With the new features NATS incorporates now (and the ones still on the roadmap) it is already and will be sooo much mure than Redis, RabbitMQ and Kafka are. It can replace service discovery, load balancing, global multiclusters and failover, etc, etc.

Your thought might be: But I don't need all of that! Well, at the same time it is much more leightweight than Redis, RabbitMQ and especially Kafka.

See more
View all (4)
Pramod Nikam
Co Founder at Usability Designs · | 2 upvotes · 135.8K views
Needs advice
on
NSQ
Kafka
and
Apache Thrift

I am looking into IoT World Solution where we have MQTT Broker. This MQTT Broker Sits in one of the Data Center. We are doing a lot of Alert and Alarm related processing on that Data, Currently, we are looking into Solution which can do distributed persistence of log/alert primarily on remote Disk.

Our primary need is to use lightweight where operational complexity and maintenance costs can be significantly reduced. We want to do it on-premise so we are not considering cloud solutions.

We looked into the following alternatives:

Apache Kafka - Great choice but operation and maintenance wise very complex. Rabbit MQ - High availability is the issue, Apache Pulsar - Operational Complexity. NATS - Absence of persistence. Akka Streams - Big learning curve and operational streams.

So we are looking into a lightweight library that can do distributed persistence preferably with publisher and subscriber model. Preferable on JVM stack.

See more
Replies (1)
Naresh Kancharla
Staff Engineer at Nutanix · | 4 upvotes · 133K views
Recommends
Kafka

Kafka is best fit here. Below are the advantages with Kafka ACLs (Security), Schema (protobuf), Scale, Consumer driven and No single point of failure.

Operational complexity is manageable with open source monitoring tools.

See more
Get Advice from developers at your company using Private StackShare. Sign up for Private StackShare.
Learn More
Pros of Apache Flink
Pros of Kafka
  • 15
    Unified batch and stream processing
  • 8
    Out-of-the box connector to kinesis,s3,hdfs
  • 8
    Easy to use streaming apis
  • 3
    Open Source
  • 1
    Low latency
  • 120
    High-throughput
  • 114
    Distributed
  • 86
    Scalable
  • 79
    High-Performance
  • 64
    Durable
  • 35
    Publish-Subscribe
  • 18
    Simple-to-use
  • 14
    Open source
  • 10
    Written in Scala and java. Runs on JVM
  • 6
    Message broker + Streaming system
  • 4
    Avro schema integration
  • 2
    Suport Multiple clients
  • 2
    Robust
  • 2
    KSQL
  • 2
    Partioned, replayable log
  • 1
    Fun
  • 1
    Extremely good parallelism constructs
  • 1
    Simple publisher / multi-subscriber model
  • 1
    Flexible

Sign up to add or upvote prosMake informed product decisions

Cons of Apache Flink
Cons of Kafka
    Be the first to leave a con
    • 27
      Non-Java clients are second-class citizens
    • 26
      Needs Zookeeper
    • 7
      Operational difficulties
    • 2
      Terrible Packaging

    Sign up to add or upvote consMake informed product decisions

    What is Apache Flink?

    Apache Flink is an open source system for fast and versatile data analytics in clusters. Flink supports batch and streaming analytics, in one system. Analytical programs can be written in concise and elegant APIs in Java and Scala.

    What is Kafka?

    Kafka is a distributed, partitioned, replicated commit log service. It provides the functionality of a messaging system, but with a unique design.

    Need advice about which tool to choose?Ask the StackShare community!

    Jobs that mention Apache Flink and Kafka as a desired skillset
    What companies use Apache Flink?
    What companies use Kafka?
    See which teams inside your own company are using Apache Flink or Kafka.
    Sign up for Private StackShareLearn More

    Sign up to get full access to all the companiesMake informed product decisions

    What tools integrate with Apache Flink?
    What tools integrate with Kafka?

    Sign up to get full access to all the tool integrationsMake informed product decisions

    Blog Posts

    Mar 24 2021 at 12:57PM

    Pinterest

    +7
    3
    1433
    Jun 24 2020 at 4:42PM

    Pinterest

    +4
    4
    1021
    +6
    2
    1469
    Jan 7 2020 at 5:09PM

    Ably Realtime

    +2
    7
    1694
    What are some alternatives to Apache Flink and Kafka?
    Apache Spark
    Spark is a fast and general processing engine compatible with Hadoop data. It can run in Hadoop clusters through YARN or Spark's standalone mode, and it can process data in HDFS, HBase, Cassandra, Hive, and any Hadoop InputFormat. It is designed to perform both batch processing (similar to MapReduce) and new workloads like streaming, interactive queries, and machine learning.
    Apache Storm
    Apache Storm is a free and open source distributed realtime computation system. Storm makes it easy to reliably process unbounded streams of data, doing for realtime processing what Hadoop did for batch processing. Storm has many use cases: realtime analytics, online machine learning, continuous computation, distributed RPC, ETL, and more. Storm is fast: a benchmark clocked it at over a million tuples processed per second per node. It is scalable, fault-tolerant, guarantees your data will be processed, and is easy to set up and operate.
    Akutan
    A distributed knowledge graph store. Knowledge graphs are suitable for modeling data that is highly interconnected by many types of relationships, like encyclopedic information about the world.
    Apache Flume
    It is a distributed, reliable, and available service for efficiently collecting, aggregating, and moving large amounts of log data. It has a simple and flexible architecture based on streaming data flows. It is robust and fault tolerant with tunable reliability mechanisms and many failover and recovery mechanisms. It uses a simple extensible data model that allows for online analytic application.
    Kafka Streams
    It is a client library for building applications and microservices, where the input and output data are stored in Kafka clusters. It combines the simplicity of writing and deploying standard Java and Scala applications on the client side with the benefits of Kafka's server-side cluster technology.
    See all alternatives
    How developers use Apache Flink and Kafka
    Pinterest uses
    Kafka

    http://media.tumblr.com/d319bd2624d20c8a81f77127d3c878d0/tumblr_inline_nanyv6GCKl1s1gqll.png

    Front-end messages are logged to Kafka by our API and application servers. We have batch processing (on the middle-left) and real-time processing (on the middle-right) pipelines to process the experiment data. For batch processing, after daily raw log get to s3, we start our nightly experiment workflow to figure out experiment users groups and experiment metrics. We use our in-house workflow management system Pinball to manage the dependencies of all these MapReduce jobs.

    Coolfront Technologies uses
    Kafka

    Building out real-time streaming server to present data insights to Coolfront Mobile customers and internal sales and marketing teams.

    ShareThis uses
    Kafka

    We are using Kafka as a message queue to process our widget logs.

    Christopher Davison uses
    Kafka

    Used for communications and triggering jobs across ETL systems

    theskyinflames uses
    Kafka

    Used as a integration middleware by messaging interchanging.

    Coolfront Technologies uses
    Apache Flink

    Used for analytics on streaming data.

    rmetzger uses
    Apache Flink

    Flink for stream data analytics